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What can be done to improve the current situation?

Difficult at this stage as fees are now based on open market forces. Professional Indemnity Insurers may have some impact as their revenue is also being eroded due to fee cutting and PI costs will rise. Perhaps they can demand nil or limited discounting when using their insurance products.
Clients also require educating but generally also difficult as many do not have long term strategies or visions regarding their developments.
Promulgated Fee scales of all BEP's should be revised and reduced to realistic sustainable commercial levels as a percentage of total project cost.
As long as the threat of the Competition hangs over councils' heads there will be no progress on the issue. BEP's should drive the process forward as the CC has no intent to do so - same as with the IDoW
Government departments should reject unrealistic low tenders
I really do not know what the answer is!
Not certain but one thing is for sure the increasing fees will definately kill the profession. I have never understood why we had to adjust fees upward anyway as the fees increases proportionately to the escalation / inflation. There seem to be a trend that since one profession starting increasing their fees (Architects) that we had to follow. The project management profession jumped on the bandwagon and also then increased their fee and from what we can see they are now considering themselves as the nost important profession (Just looking at their fees)
Scrap the fee guidelines till they get gazetted, let us use the gazetted rates for time and cost.
A recommended combined fee scale for all professionals should be produced showing the individual professional fee splits.
Corruption needs to be rooted out - don't think it is possible!
Insurance companies must have a bigger say in discounts because it influences them and the claims
We all have to be more realistic
Those that discount fees more than a certain threshold should be called to account by the Association, as they are bringing down the profession as a whole.
The proposal for the single combined fees scales is promising
Not sure if anything can be done at the moment
Practically, there is nothing that can be done. Even if all the professionals on a project stand together on the subject of fees, either one will "betray" the rest, or some other member of the same profession will undercut the fee offered.
Relook at the fee scales in relation to all the Professionals / Consultants involved to ensure a fair distribution of "the pot" and ensure that cost vs allowable remains in balance, currently the fees are unrealisitc, hence the huge discounts!
The fee scales and/or manner in which work is produced in terms of those scales need to be honestly reviewed so that each profession gets a reasonable remuneration for service, instead of architect taking the lion's share and the rest of the team sucking the hind tit! I feel great pain for the engineers who get a very raw deal on residential projects. In my experience clients are not able to get the full benefit of keen BQ doc tendering and cost control because of the very lopsided skew of how the 'affordable' fee is distributed about the team.
More detailed fees
That more of the Professional bodies become involved in this discussion (your own is to be commended for this current initiative).
The proposal by the CIDB should not go ahead. The higher the professional fees, the more clients will try to do without certain of the professionals in the team and then everything will go downhill from there. Already clients are looking at the professional teams as non productive overheads and allowing subcontractors to get involved in design and supply contracts. In many cases other members of the team are requested to do budgets so as not to involve the QS
THERE NEEDS TO BE AN OPEN DEBATE AROUND WHAT REPRESENTS A REALISTIC 'BASKET OF FEES' GIVEN CERTAIN TYPES OF PROJECTS (COMPLEXITY/RISK ETC) - THIS TO INCLUDE DEVELOPERS AND PUBLIC SECTOR - DEVELOPERS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER PRESSURE SO SOME NEGOTIATING OF THE BASKET CAN STILL TAKE PLACE WITH THE TEAM - THE PUBLIC SECTOR IS A MESS WHERE CRAZY DISCOUNTS ARE EXPECTED BUT THEIR INEFFICIENCIES MAKE THESE UNSUSTAINABLE
Align the client expectations with required discounts and then the deliverables (reduced scope) to match these required discounts
The Project Managers must get off their high horse.and be more realistic as to their roles.....How many of the PM have had their PI attacked compared to the other Built Enviornment Professionals....very few if any
(1) BEP organisations, government departments and other interested parties should start talking to one another to determine how a task team should be elected.
(2) The task team should look at the most efficient way to solve the current problems and come up with a working paper. A lot of work has already been doen by the likes of Ron Watermeyer with input from various parties to come up with framework documents. This can be built upon to save time.
(3) Such an effort should be funded by the various councls and voluntary organisations so that people can be paid to do the work within strict time frames.
Stop increase fee scales